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Is the Shutdown Really Over? Plus, More Epstein Files Leak, and the State of the GOP With Emma Vigeland! | Higher Learning | The Ringer

podcast November 14, 2025


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Rachel and Van start the show by reacting to the Epstein emails released by both Democrats and Republicans. Then, they are joined by former reporter for the Young Turks and current co-host of the Majority Report, Emma Vigeland, to talk about the Epstein files, the state of the GOP, and the characteristics of useful disagreements between progressives. Later, they talk about the response toward Donald Trump’s appearance on the Pat McAfee Show for Veterans Day, and Rachel gives an apology rating to Kayla Nicole. Last, they end the show with a segment of VanLaTEN.

00:00 – Welcome!

05:08 – Updates on the Epstein files

32:04 – Emma Vigeland joins us!

1:31:39 – Trump on the Pat McAfee Show

2:01:15 – Rachel’s apology rating: Kayla Nicole’s old tweets

2:19:15 – The VanLaTEN: “Top five dudes that got their friends killed in movies”

2:29:04 – Thanks for watching!

Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Guest: Emma Vigeland

Producers: Ashleigh Smith and Donnie Beacham

Video Supervision: Chris Thomas

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