Macklemore and Talib Kweli talk recovery and sobriety, Trump & Bush, The Heist, “Jimmy Iovine,” and making indie music.

It’s been a long time coming and we’ve finally got Macklemore in the (virtual) building! 

This conversation goes… everywhere — with Mack keeping it 100 and holding nothing back.The discussion spans his whole career, his fight with addiction, his forays into squaring up against politicians, and how he’s handled mega-stardom. After touring together in 2016, Kweli and Macklemore have a whole lot of rapport and that shows as they chop it up about everything from white privilege to drug abuse among young people. 

If you love the Seattle-based MC, this episode is a must listen. It’s Macklemore at his rawest and realest.