#83: Lisa Miller and Barry McGowan on the Business of Joy

In this episode: THE IDEALISTS. speaks with Lisa Miller, market researcher and author of “The Business of Joy” and Barry McGowan, President & CEO of Fogo de Chão (yes, sometimes we have men on the show 😉). In this week’s episode, Barry and Lisa share how joy became Fogo's rally cry during the pandemic… as opposed to competitors who made business decisions from fear and scarcity. This episode is must listen for business owners long-term planning for a pending *whispers* recession.

What we learned: Joy has been coming up a lot on the show and is often discussed as a metaphysical or emotional experience— a nice to have that increases the maximization of life. In this week’s episode, Barry and Lisa share how to create business joy strategy during the worst and scary of times.

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